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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

virgon wrote:
guessing?......oh...frag......why suspense yaar.......... Shocked


It simply can be summarised with one word...history.

Malaya/Malaysia has never been an independant state ruled by a government before our independance. Indians and Chinese existed in this country before even Merdeka and we could have hardly been considered a minority.

Hence the system we see here is inherited from our colonial days and not because our government allowed it. Our government was formed because they agreed on forming a multi party coalition called the BN.

In other words this country is ours. We all contributed to its independance. You cant really compare this to those European countries can you? Obviously Indians we not involved in the french revolution?!LOL Laughing

Once they start saying we are immigrants and put restrictions on our believes and culture...they are already trying to erase the past with their own perverted skew of history.

You see many years ago...while the great grand fathers of people like Mohd Annuar Ismadi, were wearing their sarong and sleeping on the roads, we the non malays worked very hard to make a living having come here. We were mostly succesful and helped make the country a thriving peninsular. We brought it out from what was a backwater state.

It was when these men in sarongs woke up did we have the racial revolution of ketuanan Melayu...the fear that they would loose ownership of this country from 'us' people who were already citizens of this country...how dumb! Because they wanted more time to talk stories and lie around roads they wanted to be subsidised so that they dont loose to the 'foreigners'...

Anyway that same man in the Kampung to this very day has been misinformed and being fed crap to delude their thinking that they have to fight for their right(not trying to quote a beastie boy song) over this invisible enemy.

I know you would like to know why all this has happened...It is simple. It is the BN that has collapsed inwards...The rethoric that they have been propagating pre merdeka took a different slant...simply because it cannot be avoided...because they continued to preach about the greatness of race and segregated us on every level...There was no real effort to build a real multi racial nation...it was all a ploy...The Brittish knew this...that was why they were so surprised we could live in 'harmony' for so long...well it didn't take very long until the relations started to strain did it?

Hmmm i seem to have gotten off to some long winded story did i? Sorry...my point is...it is irrelevant because of our history and how this nation was formed.

Its just that you have to understand one very famous word of a famous person "Melayu mudah lupa"...thats all i need to say...

Mohd Annuars Asmadi is a dumbass who doesn't know what he's talking about and it would be a waste of time to retort 'thoughts' spewed by people like him.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeap....of course....we are not migrants as En Anuar repeatly addressed us.....and obviously Mr Anuar needs some serious private HISTORY CLASS tuition.

Thank you ,frags, for your elobrate explanation....
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

am pretty weak in history
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But one thing I observed (based on the Hindraf protest memo) is that Indians were brought in as indentured labourers to work the rubber plantations by the British (long long before Independance) just like they brought Indians to Fiji to work as indentured labourers in the sugarcane plantations as a solution to the shortage of labor there. That is why the Hindraf leaders wanted to sue the British Gov't and also the (now famous) protest memo.

On another note, one of the signatories to the Malayan Independance when the British decided to grant Malaya Independance, was the late Tun Sambanthan. So who says Indians have nothing to do regarding Independance? Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VJeyaa wrote:

On another note, one of the signatories to the Malayan Independance when the British decided to grant Malaya Independance, was the late Tun Sambanthan. So who says Indians have nothing to do regarding Independance? Laughing


Exactly...notice the subtle attempts of erasing parts of our history to conveniently fit the racist tint of certain individuals that continue to inflame the uninformed..
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mmmm... noticed that too.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frags wrote:

You see many years ago...while the great grand fathers of people like Mohd Annuar Ismadi, were wearing their sarong and sleeping on the roads, we the non malays worked very hard to make a living having come here.


i like this part.......... Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Selamat pagi En Mohd Anuar Ismadi

Encik in tak belajar sejarah Malaysiake ? Di mana dalam dunia in minority kerja dan majority enjoy . Bayankanlah sekiranya kaum Indian tidak dibawa oleh British (150 tahun dahulu)? Malaysia teruk dari Indonesia , betul tak ?

Apa pendapatan Malaysia jika bukan getah dan kelapa sawit? yang telah billion billion masuk poket melayu ..... sehingga in dianggarkan 3 trillion .
pendapatan Malaysia selepas merdeka datang dari getah dan kelapa sawit... yang di bawa oleh British melalui Syarikat British -India. Di tanam mengunakan buruh india berjuta-juta..

Sekiranya ada mana-mana negara mendapat keuntungan begini disebabkan sesuatu kaum , saya rasa negara itu tentu menjaga kaum berkenaan lebih dari yang dapat di Malaysia . Apa yang disenaraikan oleh En Anuar hanyalah kacang putih.... berbanding dengan pendapatan negara disebabkah kaum India ... Ini belum kira berjuta juta kaum India mati dalam pembinaan trak keretapi... tebang hutan...menetang Komunis... ( 3.8 juta kaum indian mati dimalaysia sebelum 1957).bacalah sejarah yang benar......untuk siapa mereka mati ....

Kuil di bina sebelum merdeka kebanyakan kuil berumur lebih 100 tahun .... bukan kuil dibuat tanpa plan .... mana ada plan 100 tahun dulu serupa Kampung baru KL...adakah dibuat mengikut plan .... hanya pembangunan berlaku dikawasan kuil.... saya rasa tempat tak ada kuil tiada pembagunann ..lihat Kelantan, Kedah , Trengganu .... Sabah Sarawak .... mengapa kemajuan tak berlaku ............?

Kaum India sudah ada di Malaysia sebelum mana mana kaum lain menjejak kaki dimalaysia .... ini terbukti penemuan kuil kuil di Kedah ... masa pemerintaan Majapahit...... baru baru ini di Johor....

Tahukah saudara Anuar negara Malaysia sudah digadai dekat British dan satu syarat kemerdekaan malaysia ..ada pemberian kerakyatan kepada kaum Indian dan China.. sekiranya syarat ini tidak setuju maka kemerdekaan tidak akan tercapai.... Ini syarat , ini bererti kerakyatan kaum India dan China tak diberi percuma , digunakan oleh orang Melayu untuk menubus gadai mereka.

Tahukah saudara Anuar sehingga ini tak sampai 1 billion dibelanjakan untuk kaum Indian dalam masa 50 tahun oleh kerajaan., sedangkan belajawan negara tahun 2009 sahaja 200 juta, berapa juta disalurkan untuk kaum india ....atau kaum India mendapat manafaat.....? mengikut kontrak sosial 20 juta perlu disalurkan melalui kaum India?............. ini hanya jadi bila Bulan jadi Matahari....? jawatan kerajaan dari 13% tahun 1970...... 1.5% tahun 2005... sekarang kerajaan cuba capai 5 % ( 2009) selepas kalah teruk dalam sejarah malaysia... ini bererti kerajaan malaysia mendapat keuntungan dari kaum indian (3 trillion) berbanding kaum india dapat dari kerajaan ?(<1 billion).

Ini belum kira keuntung syarikat syarikat getah dan kelapa sawit ..berbillion .... Sime Darby dapat untung billion , perkerja estate tiada air minum ... bayankan orang yang beri keuntungan berbillion... mandi dengan air longkang, minum air hujan ,,gaji 21 centry kurang 400 sebulan kalau hujan tiada gaji,,, gaji kira musim ,,,,,,in estate di Kajang
..belum dinegeri pendalaman ..mana melayu sanggup kerja begini ..

Apakah salahnya keuntungan itu disalurkan untuk kebajikan perkerja .... dan mengapa kerajaan tidak mengambil tindakan keatas syarikat syarikat berkenaan ... Walupun undang -undang Malaysia mengatakan kebajikan perkerja perlu dijaga.
Zaman 21st century rakyat Malaysia minum air hujan , mandi air longkang.gaji kurang RM400.ikut musim , pembagunan Malaysia apa ini? tak malukah ....Projek Putrajaya berbillion untuk siapa?

Apabila pemerintah jadi hantu wang dan racialist inilah jadi , mata kita kabur untuk menilai berlian dan besi.

Apakah Encik Anuar fikir peberian kerajaan , sekolah Tamil, siaran Tamil, .... adalah satu pemberian besar oleh kerajan malaysia
berbanding keuntungaan 3 trillion oleh kerajaan disebahkan kaum Indian.. yang disalurkan kebanyakan kepada kaum Melayu...

Kedatangan kaum Indian di Malaysia bukan untuk cari makan seperti kaum China dan sekarang Indonesia... tetapi dibawa oleh British untuk pembangunan Malaysia ... ini sejarah .... yang telah mengguntungkan trillion kepada rakyat Malaysia ....

Tuhan hanya adil cerita benar dan bukan cerita emosi atau kepentingan seseorang ... jika ini benar benarlah.... walaupun kebenaran itu menyakit hati kita ... kita perlu tunduk kapada kebenaran.. untuk terus maju....kalau tidak negara hancur... kerana kita lari dari kebenaran...
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